Comments on: What developers with ADHD want you to know https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/ Essays, opinions, and advice on the act of computer programming from Stack Overflow. Thu, 15 Jun 2023 17:29:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: eoghan https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3212845 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 05:29:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3212845 ADD/ADHD, Autistic, OCD, PSTD- all professionally diagnosed.
Coder, Data Engineer.

Asking for the most basic accommodations- clear expectations, clear directions, (exploratory data analysis, many unknowns, few knowns) reasonable deadlines, clear asks, re-evaluation of the deadline when the ask develops into something more complex or time consuming (lean/agile, scrum, sprint cycle based PM)

I simply get let go.

out of work now, going on 2.5 quarters… job market flooded with NT’s (seems like) and there’s just no room for us ND’s.

Sure, i’m good at what i do; typically accomplish 50-60 hrs of work in 35; but no one cares when you don’t have a portfolio (confidential/proprietary work), when you can’t get through a boot camp (instructor says “google it”, and i end up having to code review and correct both english and coding language for a boot camp where i went specifically to learn the [programming] language) and assignments, that from a developers perspective apply non of the data engineering or software development principles).

Meanwhile- google and 98% of all instruction sets are missing steps. Or it just assumes too much. Or my learning disability is keeping me from being able to get through the “sticky” parts.

Sticky brain… ya, that’s a thing.

Then there’s dealing with people. Sure, i’ve got 30+ years in customer service- but we’re not talking about the same customers from 30 years ago.

the english language has been commandeered and usurped by whatever and whomever feels like it.
there’s no rule book for what words are good to use, and what words are bad to use.

keeping it strictly professional doesn’t work either. it exposes the ND. makes us look rude, or cold, or un friendly. How to work on a team as an ND?

and how to deal with the small-talk-chit-chat-sports-weather asinine topics that don’t actually contribute to the diminishing of my work load?

All this to say…

while it’s “nice” to hear organizations are becoming more accommodating to the ND community, i won’t believe it till i see it.
and i’m not seeing it.

5 roles later, having been dropped for being an ND….
i’m not seeing it.

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By: data monger https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3212827 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 05:13:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3212827 In reply to Cabinet-Zozor.

small heads, giant hands. they’re trying to portray perspective in this art piece… guess it didn’t work so great….

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By: Sgt. Barton Milnor Mallory https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3212409 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:36:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3212409 In reply to Max Rocket.

If I may, look into speech to text. If you might make the leap to AI processing on the beginning of a task, you might find that it’s easy to overthink what you’re doing, but if you have a solid idea of your outline before you begin, being less sorting specific at first and more overall descriptive might be a great way to start. Good luck and happy coding.

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By: CDub https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3212342 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 06:12:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3212342 It should be noted that there are different levels of ADHD. It’s not full on or full off, black or white. There are grays as well. I have enough that I am constantly off on tangents when trying to absorb new information, and occasionally in the zone enough to be late for a meeting or two, but not so much that I’m either OCD or unable to function in other ways. As such, I find I do have a high degree of creativity, but learning new things requires more time to focus and absorb information. I’m convinced this is because with each sentence I read, my mind is exploring every angle, trying to fit the new piece of the information into my existing mental jigsaw puzzle, to make it more complete. When I push the learning speed too much, I totally lose the information altogether. But finding MY pace and not someone else’s has been key for me.

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By: Marc https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3209008 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 02:53:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3209008 It’s also the coding. Programming has short feedback loops, that gives a quick dopamine hit and keeps our attention. The accommodations help too, but I was a good programmer before I had the accommodations. The accommodations make life less stressful.

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By: Danny https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3209001 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 02:32:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3209001 I can’t say that I’ve had any positive benefit from ADHD. I was diagnosed when I was 22, so ten years ago. At first ADHD was manageable by the regular prescribed drugs, but that effect has slowly declined to the point where I’m back to struggling to focus and dependent on a prescription to function at a base level. It’s a severe case compounded by depression.

I’ll admit that I haven’t told this to any employer and have suffered because of it. Even at some of the bigger, open-minded tech companies I’ve worked at, ADHD isn’t treated like an acceptable problem but viewed as an excuse for unproductive periods. I’m able to make up for it during the focused parts to mask it, but I’ve never thought it helped me do anything better.

If you have a severe case of ADHD and are going into development, make sure it’s a changing job where you go from Project A to Project B, etc. When you get stuck on Project C for a few years, it can put you in a very tough situation to pull out of.

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By: Cabinet-Zozor https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3208981 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 01:28:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3208981 I have ADHD. Please stop using this artstyle on your blog, small heads giant heads how horrifying

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By: Felipe https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3208931 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 10:56:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3208931 As a programmer living with ADHD, the so called “superpower” is actually a product of years having to use internal techniques, having to study by myself at home after hours wasted in class because I couldn’t learn in a regular classroom. So when I was diagnosed an finally medicated, I felt like goku training in gravity 10 times higher for my entire life and finally being transported to a normal gravity….

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By: Max Rocket https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3208762 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 02:46:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3208762 I do not have ADHD but I have learning disabilities that make certain parts of coding incredibly difficult. Many companies — and even bootcamps — have no idea how to work with devs who have learning disabilities, and the same with interviewers. Because of my LDs I have trouble getting into schools that will help, because I can’t pass the coding tests — because of my LDs. So frustrating. I feel you guys.

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By: Searcher https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3208757 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 02:32:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3208757 Looking for freedom

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By: Jesse https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/05/what-developers-with-adhd-want-you-to-know/#comment-3208506 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 10:15:00 +0000 https://stackoverflow.blog/?p=22250#comment-3208506 I am a programmer living with ADHD. I was diagnosed only two years ago at 33. ADHD destroyed my life. It made me commit so many mistakes, and I lost out on many life opportunities because of it. But as soon as I was diagnosed and placed on stimulant medication, my life did a complete 180. It was like being reborn. I can finally hold eye contact and conversation when speaking to people now. As a matter of fact, I feel like I have more focus and calmness than an average person without ADHD. And when it comes to programming, I can do 10-hour stints with ease and get so much work done. The downside is that I lose out on precious time with family. I often forget what day it is. I usually code all night and end up missing most of the next day because il be sleeping through most of it. I won’t be surprised if we ADHD developers average less than 6 hours of sleep a night.

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